Posts by Giles Gray

Conspicuous by their absence are the videos made by the Watchtower that warn Jehovah's Witnesses of the dangers of inappropriate contact with children, something that causes real harm and suffering.

They certainly do gulp down the camel.

If they spent as much time dealing with the real issues of paedophilia (especially considering the harmful effects of the ridiculous two witness rule) as they do addressing the harmless habits of their younger members, the Watchtower would have a lot less to answer for.

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The "Imperfect Men" Argument

by steve2 in

one of the most common "defences" of jw organization is that "the brothers" are imperfect yet still strive to follow god's word.

"sure, they make mistakes," so the argument goes, "but so did god's people in the past, including in bible times.

" the key point is their readiness to keep studying god's word and learning from their mistakes.".

Giles Gray

If the GB speculate about fundamental doctrines and err, they are just zealous imperfect men trying their best, and the flock should be patient and understanding without murmuring.

If the Rank & File so much as speculate about any doctrine, they are 'running ahead of God's organisation' and subject to disciplinary action, and unless they repent, they will be cast out of the congregation.

If I'm not mistaken, that is known as a double standard.

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"Go and tell someone who cares...I dont care!"

by stuckinarut2 in

i don't usually like the confrontational approach to those on the carts, however this video is a great example of how jws do not really care about child abuse issues!.

the arrogance of this brother is disturbing..... bear with the video.

it gets really interesting around the 6 min mark, where the brother loses his cool.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5chulnnyqs.

Giles Gray

I can't help wondering if the JW had some kind of guilt regarding child abuse himself, considering his appalling reaction to the subject.

Deliberately coughing in the man's face was disgraceful behaviour. I don't know how that sister could just sit there and not say a word about how rude and offensive the JW was acting, regardless of the provocation.

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Why did the Governing Body come behind the curtain?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

in the movie the wizard of oz, while the whole yellow brick road gang was being addressed by the great and powerful wizard of oz, the dog toto ran off to the side, pulled back on a curtain, and showed that a normal-looking humbug of a person was operating cranks and levers.

for a short while, the normal-looking man kept yanking levers and cranking cranks, and said into the microphone (which made the great and powerful wizard speak the same words) "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

i am the great and powerful wiz .

Giles Gray

Onager:- " The title of this thread really needs a "From" after the word "Curtain". As it is, it reads like the worst Porno ever"

Ha! Could also be a naff joke...

Why did the Governing Body come behind the curtain...?

Because they were 'Porn' in JWs.

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The Scientific Method

by cofty in

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Giles Gray

Cofty:- " Scientist thinking

Scientist has exciting idea

Data says idea is bollocks

Scientist sad"

Theist thinking

Theist has exciting idea

Data says idea is bollocks

Theist believes regardless

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Bible is good if we look for implied truth

by venus in

thumbs-up gesture doesn’t covey much if we see only four fingers closed and thumb standing upward.

but if we look for the implied meaning, then it is a positive, informal signal indicating a job well done, and saying ‘keep it up.’.

similarly, biblical accounts don’t convey much if we see them as mere accounts.

Giles Gray

"Fuck off"... there is no equivalent.

Allow Sir Billy to explain:-

https://youtu.be/qJMqdTr7IQM

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hi, I am new, God bless all.

by Daniel Ronjom in

jw
friends

hi everybody.i am new to this forum.i have grown up as a christian in a christian family, but i recognized that jehovahs are more positive about peace on earth.

i believe in peace on earth too.

i believe in god and jesus and angels.

Giles Gray

Ronjom... Didn't they do that song 'Black Betty'?

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Interesting conversation with JW friend

by Jules Saturn in

i was withh a friend of mine who is a jw still and for whatever reason we started talking the bible.

i asked him about lazarus and how is that when he died he paid the price of sin, but then jesus resurrected him.

and i asked him "where is lazarus today?

Giles Gray

berrygerry:- " I believe the Lazarus' defense is that Jesus hadn't given his ransom yet, so no one was entitled to a perfect resurrection".

I'm sure this is how Jehovah's Witnesses would wriggle out of that question.

However, in the case of Eutychus at Acts 20:9, the ransom had already been paid. So Eutychus, according to God's own law on sin, should still be alive.

Paul resurrected him, but for what reason was he resurrect imperfect? His sin had been paid for by his own death and Jesus' ransom had also been paid.

It's a great question to ask a JW.

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I'm so confused, help?

by Ponyo in

i want to share my story.

(might be a tad long).

i have no idea where i stand anymore regarding being a jw and where i stand in my marriage.. im 28 years old and the years are certainly ticking by.

Giles Gray

Before you can solve anything you need to separate and clearly distinguish the issues that you have to resolve before coming to any conclusion.

As far as I can see, there are two separate issues that are blurring together in your mind which are contributing to your confusion.

The first issue that seems the most predominant in your mind is the question of rekindling the love you had with Leo.

The second issue that you have is wondering whether the religion you are in is the truth.

At this moment in time the second issue is the most important to resolve, due to the fact that it has a huge bearing on the first issue.

If the Jehovah's Witness religion is true, the answer to the first issue is obvious. You stay with the chap you're with and you learn to love him and progress in the relationship with Jehovah's protection. All very nice, but not exactly what your heart longs for.

If the Jehovah's Witness religion is untrue, the first issue becomes a lot more complicated.

The problem now is remaining objective in your examination of the Jehovah's Witnesses and your faith.

The question for me is, would you even be considering the credentials of the religion if it wasn't for the fact that your heart's desire lies outside of the Watchtower? If Leo had been a Brother and everything was authentic and up to the requirements of the religion, would you at this moment be questioning the truthfulness of the religion?

Regardless of the answers to the question of your motive, there remains the very important point of whether the Watchtower is the true religion or not. You also need to know if there is a god or if there isn't a god, if the Bible is true, or is it a myth like any other 'Holy Book'.

It is only when you know the answer to those questions that you will be in a position to make a wise long-term decision.

Just to finish... I knew a JW sister who remaind in a loveless marriage all her life, staying with her unbelieving husband because she was loyal to the Watchtower, only to reach the end of her life and find out the what she believed all those years wasn't the truth.

I can't imagine what she went through when she was in hospital, after having suffered a stroke, and was lying there thinking about her life and what had passed her by.

You have some very tough decisions to make that don't just affect you. Your belief system is at the very heart of your decision making. That is your starting point.

Good luck in your decision making.